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lotowner
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"I'm Tired"
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11/18/2010 9:16:51 PM
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"I'm 63 and I'm Tired"
By Robert A. Hall
I'm 63. Except for one semester in college when jobs were scarce and a six-month period when I was between jobs, but job-hunting every day, I've worked, hard, since I was 18. Despite some health challenges, I still put in 50-hour weeks, and haven't called in sick in seven or eight years. I make a good salary, but I didn't inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, there's no retirement in sight, and I'm tired. Very tired.
I'm tired of being told that I have to "spread the wealth" to people who don't have my work ethic. I'm tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy to earn it.
I'm tired of being told that Islam is a "Religion of Peace," when every day I can read dozens of stories of Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family "honor"; of Muslims rioting over some slight offense; of Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren't "believers"; of Muslims burning schools for girls; of Muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death for "adultery"; of Muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls; all in the name of Allah, because the Qur'an and Shari'a law tells them to.
I'm tired
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water_watcher
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"I'm Tired"
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11/18/2010 9:35:15 PM
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agreed ... great post. thanks
why is it when they talk about people making more than $250K should have their taxes go up or lose the Bush tax cuts.
- first it is their money and Obama is talking like it belongs to the government. does not get it.
- second they always say those making millions of dollars do not need the tax cut ... well we are talking about $250K and above not $3 million and above.
- their they feel it is better to go beyond the crazy 99 weeks and penalize the small bussiness owners (majority in the over $250K bracket) which are the job creators. So that makes sense ... less penalize those that create jobs more so we can give it to those unemployed. No sense and while I feel for those out of work, extending benefits at tax payer expense when those people could take jobs equal to or greater than unemployment ... they wont as long as they have free money.
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GoneFishin
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Waterman
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11/19/2010 12:06:37 AM
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Good post Lotowner. Hey, Water Man can you please cite your source that a majority of small business owners are in the $250,000 or more bracket?
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Yankee06
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Tired? So what?
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11/19/2010 12:58:16 AM
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Not a big fan of this viral internet message!
-The author is not like most Marines I know. Yes, a lot of us are tired like he is, ...and of the same things he is, ...but we haven't given up doing something about it.
-I'm not glad that I won't live to see most of the bad effects. I'm PO'ed, ...and he should be, ...and you should be...that our kids, our grandkids will have to live under the effects of such continued drifting away from the ideals and tenets that made America great.
-America is not perfect, ...but it is on a path. We don't need to head down other paths that others have already found lead to popular enslavement of body, mind, and spirit.
-Yes , we're all tired, ...but hopefully, we haven't all given up!
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water_watcher
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Waterman
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11/19/2010 5:50:26 AM
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Can your post your source they are not ... a typical liberal ... always looking for someone else to do their work for them.
It only takes common sense that the majority of small businesses that employ more than 40% of the population make more than $250K a year. We are talking LLC's, Sub-S, Partnerships, etc ... not C-Corps
Reguardless ... what you and those that share your twisted view that government should run our lives, do not get, is that it is NOT governments money. It is the money of those that earned it.
This question was asked durning the election, which you never answered ... 92% of personal income taxes are paid in the $250K and above bracket. Obama talks like they do not pay their fair share .... so what percent of income taxes should that bracket pay if 92% is not enough.
When I have had this discussion with the likes of your thinking, without stating the percent ... I get an answer like at least 50% ... most are shocked to learn what that bracket pays today. Why aren't you.
So what should the percent be? You also want to shoot your mouth off and challenge everyone else ... for once be a man and say what the percent should be. you obviously do not feel that bracket pays enough.
My thinking is, it is just another liberal mindset to penalize success and risk taking. No matter which way you look at it ... that group are the job creators.
Look at Home Depot and how they started ... look at the jobs they created. there are millions of examples of this. They more you take from them and do not make risk taking worth the potential reward ... we will not have job growth they way we need and the only choice is for government fund risk to create jobs. That is what Obama and the liberals want .... but that is not what our government was founded on and has worked for almost 250 years.
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lotowner
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Tired? So what?
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11/19/2010 6:40:29 AM
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First take back, Nov. 2, 2010. Now aiming for 2012. Millions of Americans said "we're tired" and Washington still does not listen. We're not going away.
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MartiniMan
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Have to define small business
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11/19/2010 9:18:46 AM
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GF, according to salary.com small business owners (less than 250 employees) average annual salary is $236,600 (these are W-2 wages and not profit from the business). If you add in their other source of taxable income, which is the profits from the business, it seems to me highly likely that the average annual taxable income is over $250,000. So do more than 50% of small businesses as defined by salary.com have annual income over $250K? Not sure but it certainly seems plausible. A better number to use would be the median but I could not find it.
Regardless of whether it is 20%, 30% or 50%, why would you want to raise taxes on even one small business thereby taking away valuable financial resources to grow their businesses and hire more employees? What is the sense of doing that at any time, but even less so in these times of ~17% real unemployment? Frankly, it is strictly the odious class envy argument that most Americans (except left wing nuts) abhor, including those that are not in that income class. Why do they detest class envy? Because in America we have millions of examples of individuals that through hard work and risk taking have risen from lower income levels. Americans in their heart of hearts understand that this can be accomplished by anyone and they hope for that themselves. This recognition makes them rightly detest class envy.
But left wing nuts feel differently and generally fall into three categories: 1) those that have wealth and have no problem taxing income because they have the ability to avoid those taxes and do so diligently whilst lecturing the rest of us about our greed; 2) those that were indoctrinated in schools and never really outgrew the naivete; and 3) losers that lack the drive, ambition, brains or desire to achieve and resent everyone else that has and feel entitled to be the recipient of shared wealth. Fortunately this only comprises about 20% of the electorate.
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lamont
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I will say this 1 more time...
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11/19/2010 10:03:06 AM
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Go back, pre-election and look at the records for Joe Biden and Obama's charitable giving history. It's really pretty disgusting. These are the ones who want to spend "our" money but, find it difficult to dpart from their own. You might notice a rather significant increase in Obama's charitable giving once he decided to run for the presidency.Hmmmmm.... Oh yeah, if you feel so inclined, you might want to compare their "generosity" with that of Cheney and Bush. Quite a difference. Boy, those Republicans sure are greedy. What a bunch of hypocrites.
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lamont
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Decided I would make it easy for you..
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11/19/2010 10:28:18 AM
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Obama's Charitable Donations:
2000- 1% of income
2001- 1/2 of 1% Folks, that's less than 1%
2002- 4/10 of 1% Ditto
2003- 1.4% Who-hoo! He broke the 1% mark
2004- 1.2% Rough year obviously.
2005- 4.7% Way to ramp it up Big "O"
2006- 6.1% Can you say, "Uh Oh, I'm about to run for office and I really need to be seen as a compassionate guy.
Just one sentence summarizes "Mr. Compassionate," Joe Biden. As of 2006, our man Joe averaged giving $369 A YEAR FOR THE PAST DECADE!
Now Mr. greedy, you know that Republican, George Bush gave $75,560 or 12.2% of his income in 2005. In addition, he gave more than 10% in each of his years in the presidency.
I just hate those greedy Republicans.
You might also want to check Cheney's Charitable donations. another one of those evil, greedy guys.
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4691
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Waterman
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11/19/2010 7:10:40 PM
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Water_Watcher - "...92% of personal income taxes are paid in the $250K and above bracket" If you mean this the wayI think, your numbers are way off. Based on 2008 data, the top 1%, which is made up of those earning $380,000 or more, paid 38% of personal federal income tax (that's a lot!!!), the top 5%, made up of those earning $159,000 or more, paid 58% of total, and the top 10%, made up of those making $114,000 or more, paid ~70% of total personal income taxes. I found this same data on numerous web sites but it is most detailed here http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html. Note I don't disagree with any of the points you made except for the stats you used. And my point in noting this is that the middle-middle pays a hefty portion of the income tax revenue; not just the upper-middle and rich class. It is the lower 50% that pay little or no income tax.
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water_watcher
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Waterman
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11/20/2010 6:50:50 AM
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Thanks ... if the percents are off ... it still points to the clear fact that the upper income bracket(s) pay more than their fair share. It is not like they are cut a break and all the burden is on the middle to lower income people (that benefit most from the government programs and entitlements).
Can everyone say "Fair Tax" .... that solves it all. If the top earners are the biggest consumers they will pay more.
Why do we want to penalize income generation which creates spending, investment and job creation.
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