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Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   PIGS - The Road Indiscriminately Taken
Date:   11/28/2010 10:28:50 AM

For years there have been warnings from the financial sector about the P I G S.  That would be Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain.  The warnings became direr.  Though not in the order of the acronym, we have seen two fail in a year (Greece, followed by Ireland) and two about to fall with the domino of Portugal toppling Spain. 

 

In every case, the root cause has been not enough revenue to cover liberal entitlements. 

 

Greek public sector workers wanted a 38 hour work week, six weeks of annual vacation (not including sick leave), and to retire at age 58.  The government granted their wish. When the retired (entitled) overwhelmed the largess of the employed (taxpayers), the government borrowed to cover the debt. When the government could not even cover the interest on the debt, credit ratings (worthiness) collapsed. 

 

Greece went to the European Union (EU) and asked for a bailout.  The EU said, “…not unless you get a handle on your debt problem.”  The Greek government went to work on entitlements and retirement age.  The Greeks rioted rather than tightened their belts.  The pain of self disciple (austerity) was too much to assume.

 

In ancient Greece, how ironic, Aristotle noted, "That which is common to the greatest number has the least care bestowed upon it." 

 

Ireland has now followed Greece into collapse.  The same root cause, the same bailout request, and the same riotous response.

 

Portugal has professed that they don’t need a bailout.  Right!  That’s what Ireland first said.  The EU knows that the failure of Portugal will spill over into Spain.  You and I know that France will follow… and possibly Great Britain.

 

In each case, the more industrious countries have been forced to bail out the “feel-good, fiddle playing” countries (REM: “The Grasshopper and the Ants”, Aesop).  Germany, which will be the last standing EU economy, has already seen their creditworthiness contaminated by this whole self inflicted mess.  The Germans are considering abandoning the Euro!  They remember the 30s.  Germans don’t want to pay for the ill-conceived and irresponsible fiscal follies of the PIGS.  Does this sound much like secession?  Where have we experienced that in history?

 

Now that you have made it to the end of my diatribe, let us consider Illinois and California, followed by Michigan… and perhaps New Jersey. Who among you will adopt austerity in your own life to underwrite the ill-conceived and irresponsible fiscal behaviors in those states?  Haven’t we heard the word, though less than half-serious, “secession”, from Texas?





Name:   Yankee06 - Email Member
Subject:   PIGS - The Road Indiscriminately Taken
Date:   11/28/2010 6:18:57 PM

-Good insights MAJ RET. -Reference the situation here at home, ...the stimulous was already a bailout for states. Every state received some stimulous money based on a calculus that I could never figure out. -Remember when th stimulous was going to create 6 million new jobs? ...then before long, it was only going to create or "save" 3 million jobs. In my opinion it basically "saved" 3 million state government jobs and the retirement programs for state jobs. I'm a big supporter of cops, firefighters, teachers, etc, ..but when retirement contracts call for annual increases of retired pay of 5 and 6% with a lot of these rank and file public servants pulling down $100,00 grand in retirement, something is wrong. -Now the stimulus monies to cover these salaries and pensions are about to run out , and the states do not have new revenues to pick up where stimulus money stops. What will the administration do? It will want to add new stimulus money. Will the new congress allow that? Will the unions accept anything less? -For all us politics junkies, it's going to be an interesting year!



Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   Right!
Date:   11/28/2010 6:51:16 PM

Spot on, Yank!  Illinois is being bankrupted, in the main, by their generous, union coerced and co-opted pension funds.  By the way Illinois CANNOT recover.  Their debt has become too large to reverse without outside help.  Illinois will stumble first. We taxpayers will be told we have NO CHOICE but to rescue Illinois.

 

California is sucked under by its liberal handouts, especially Medicaid for illegals… and education.  To forestall their demise they raised… and raised… taxes.  Now the golden geese have taken flight - industry is departing California for venues where bleeding and leeches aren’t the cure for the malaise of fiscal malpractice. California is reputed to be the 15th largest economy in the world (old information).  Do we understand the enormity of bailing out California?

 

Michigan is tapped out.  New Jersey is aware and struggling.  But, in every one of these four states, the wailing over austerity measures hobbles state legislatures and executives in their ability to stop their decline short of the fiscal precipice.  Blame is deflected.  The Federal government is assigned responsibility for mitigating the fiscal problem without paining the perpetrators.

 

Imagine scolding an overweight dog while gorging him on as much food as he wants.









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