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Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   RE - AGW CRICKETS
Date:   7/22/2013 10:14:34 AM (updated 7/22/2013 10:18:35 AM)

CRAZY GRAPH ARGUMENT FOR AGW    http://grist.org/list/send-this-crazy-graph-to-the-climate-deniers-you-know/

Well… the “Crazy Graph” to which Holly Richmond (Grist.org) has referred, has indeed arrived in the lap of a “denier.” 



Thus, I have an anthropomorphic global warming (AGW) representation to compare to my educated knowledge of the processes and history of earth climate. I have labeled this the Klein Graph (“…this graph unearthed by Ezra Klein on the Washington Post”, according to Ms Richmond [I am assuming she needs to be addressed as “Ms”]).

So... I respond:   The Holocene (modern human) epoch is 4000 years old.
 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png

That is .625 millionths of the age of the earth.  Our species will be extraordinarily lucky if we don’t make ourselves extinct in the next 4000 years… certainly past the next ice age.  Mother Nature will have all but eradicated evidence of us having been here within 4000 years after that. If my prediction is true, our total dwell time on earth will be about 1.9 millionths of the age of the earth… after we have been erased.

We should note that during the last 3 interglacial (warm) periods, the average high temperatures were higher than in the present (Holocene) interglacial period. Indeed the Klein Graph is so insignificant, that we cannot represent it with a visible line.
 


http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/iconic-figure--2-vostok-ice-core-and-co2

Political expediency informs the ignorant that we are overheating the earth.  HOWEVER, look at the real trend of our current interglacial period.  Real science indicates that the descent into another glacial period has begun.

Let us bring into context the CO2 concentrations of the glacial periods of the last 8K (eight hundred thousand) years.  Please note that CO2 concentrations were higher than the present in the Sangamon and in the Yarmouth I and II interglacial periods. (To be sure, mankind was lighting only campfires and the occasional forest fire.)



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Co2_glacial_cycles_800k.png


Despite the misrepresentation of “consensus”, AGW is NOT an accepted theory among REAL scientists. 



 





Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Globaloney
Date:   7/22/2013 1:26:56 PM

It is indeed amazing how the mavens of AGW hold fast to a thoroughly discredited belief system.  This table is a scam.  The data is incontrovertible that the climate has not warmed over the last 15 years has been well documented and even proponents acknowledge that it has not happened and can't explain it.

But more to your point, as geophysicists we understand global climates on a geological scale rather than this short term mentality that gave us the looming ice age wackos in the 1970s......which didn't happen, global warming wackos in the 2000's.......which didn't happen, and finally global climate change so they don't have to worry about their predictions always being wrong because they can blame man in general, and carbon specifically, for any change in the climate be it up or down.  And in my experience no amount of data, logic or science can sway them from their views. It's their religion........

Its no wonder so many meteorologists are skeptical of AGW, they can't predict the weather this afternoon with any accuracy, let alone 50 years from now. 







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