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MartiniMan
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McCain was very good...but
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10/8/2008 8:20:33 AM
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Obama also did well. Although McCain won on points, the debate last night was not the knockout punch that he really needed. He needs to really address a number of key issues that will impact swing voters with the overriding theme that we simply can't trust the country to Obama:
1. Who is Obama?: We don't really know him except that he is liberal, will increase taxes, will appoint activist judges, will support abortion on demand (including the murder of babies born alive from a botched abortion) and will dramatically increase the size of government.
2. Obama's judgment is flawed: We need to learn more about his associations with Bill Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist and Jeremiah Wright, the America-hating reverend. CNN recently did a pretty good expose on the relationship and there is no doubt that Obama lied when he said Ayers was a guy who lived in his neighborhood. WHAT ELSE IS HE LYING ABOUT? Ayers created the politician Obama and that association in itself should in normal times disqualify him for the office.
3. His promise to lower taxes for 95% of Americans is a lie: He makes the unsupported claim that 95% of small businesses make under $250K. The average McDonalds franchise generates $1.7MM in revenue and $300K-$400K in profit. This claim needs to be debunked. And besides, his numbers don't begin to add up.
4. He and Joe Biden are consistently wrong on national security issues: He was wrong on invading Pakistan, he was wrong on the surge, he was wrong about what would happen with a premature withdrawal from Iraq, and I don't have time to recount how many times Biden has been wrong on these issues.
5. Obama has absolutely zero experience to recommend him to the job: He has no legislative accomplishments, his experience as a community organizer "accomplished nothing" according to his supervisor, he has no executive experience and on and on. All he has to his credit is having run a good primary and general election campaign. THAT ALONE IS NO QUALIFICATION FOR PRESIDENT.
McCain needs to hammer home these issues pver and over between now and election day. If he does the race will tighten and McCain will have a shot. And if they have some October surprise they need to bring it out in the next 2 weeks.
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AUCATZ
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McCain was very good...but
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10/8/2008 9:21:04 AM
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Obama garnered even more votes last night with his pitch to reduce taxes to 95% of American taxpayers. This is just wonderful to the ears - however the 5% percent he plans to increase taxes on are the people and businesses that create JOBS. So, while it would be nice to pay less taxes than the more than 30% we pay out now, if we don't have a job what is the benefit?
I greatly fear we will return to the welfare state of the 60's and 70's under a Democratic President and Congress.
As for government-owned health care, what a joke. It will never happen because Americans want a CHOICE regarding their health care options. Under Obama's plan, there are mandates and freedom of choice is just not there. The idea of affordable health care is great, and I personally like the idea of a tax break to help families get insurance, etc. better than something the government runs. We've all seen the last months how well government-run programs work. Not a Democratic or Republican thing - just overall the folks in Washington don't have a clue about what it's like to really work and support ourselves.
So, if Obama wins, all you supporters better cross your fingers that he has some good advisers. For someone who said when he was 8 years old he would be President, someone who has created himself as the annointed President with absolutely no credentials or experience to be a leader, and someone who is bolstered by the Hollywood celebrity set - good luck. He may have Warren Buffett in his corner and that might be good for getting the economy back on track, but he will spend us into even more debt with his government programs and handouts.
Personally, I just hope he isn't the new reincarnation of Jimmy Carter...or JFK for that matter. JC is a nice man, but has no clue (even now) about world leadership. JFK, for those of you too young to remember, or those who still idolize the Kennedy clan took us to the brink of WW III over the Bay of Pigs. And on a final note, having Joe Biden as VP and the 'foreign affairs expert' is even scarier.
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water_watcher
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McCain was very good...but
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10/8/2008 10:00:36 AM
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Why is it so difficult for people to see this? Obama speaks well ... but he says nothing. He talked about his plans to "cut spending" yet he has not named one program he is going to cut to support his massive spending agenda.
He says he is only going to raise taxes on those that make over $250m which happens to be the individuals and small businesses that pay 96% of all taxes already.
When he says he is going to reduce or cut taxes on 95% of americans ... 40% of americans already pay no taxes so that is not a tax cut, that is redistribution of wealth.
The top 1% of wage earners in the US pay close to 50% of all taxes and Obama feels they should pay even more.
Obama's agenda is so scary, and it looks like he may win because the american people just feel well we should try something different .... but then we are going wake up one day and realize he has chaged the best capitalist society in to a socialist nation and destroyed individuals motivation to take risk, work harder and create jobs to realize the potential rewards. Instead it will be a governament society that people will look to have them take care of them.
It is the bird feeder approach. You put a bird feeder out and at first everyone loves the birds. Then more and more come and build nests. So you need to keep putting more and more bird feed out there. Then if you miss a day the birds get angry and make a mess and there is bird sh*t all over. So you take the bird feeder down and the birds go away and have to find their own food.
Obama's approach is for government to be the bird feeder.
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AUCATZ
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McCain was very good...but
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10/8/2008 12:13:11 PM
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I don't understand Obama's mass appeal. I do see that the celebrity groupies will follow a new 'rock star'. I understand why it is a racial vote (for and against) for some voters. That much I get. I don't - and I've said this before - make sense of all the middle class folks jumping on his band wagon. "I Want Change"!!! Don't we all? However, most of all I want substantial details about all that 'Change'. We have empty promises that voters are blindly going for.
On a related note, I don't see how all the current members of Congress will get re-elected given their current rating. Surely, surely, surely there are other candidates that can do more. Again, doesn't really matter what the party affiliation is - we need good people in Congress that can actually DO something.
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MartiniMan
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One other issue
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10/8/2008 12:59:01 PM
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McCain really needs to point out that if Obama is elected people will be trusting our government to Obama/Pelosi/Reid, three of the most liberal, out of touch politicians in America. Americans prefer divided government and they are getting ready to trust the government at a time of economic uncertainty to this trio. Very dangerous at an important time in our history.
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GoneFishin
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One other issue
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10/8/2008 2:48:12 PM
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Running for President takes on a toll on your body. You are on the run 24/7 with little time for time out. I do think John McCain age showed last night. The Town Hall format with both candidates on stage together did not work to his advantage from a purely visual aspect.
I don't know if McCains reference to Obama as "That one" was accidental but it is one of those historical moments in Presidential debates that will forever be remembered in highlights of past debates. It is that type reference that leaves those undecided voters questioning why McCains would make such a demeaning reference. One can argue that it doesn't matter and the campaign should be about issues and character. However, it showed poor judgment for someone who prides himself as being able to reach across the aisle to refer to his opponent for President as "That one".
The debate was like a boxing match. Obama dances around and jabs to keep McCain off guard. McCain goes for the knockout and Obama clinches. It was split decision and McCain needed a knockout
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MartiniMan
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One other issue
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10/8/2008 3:45:34 PM
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I don't even remember that comment and you are the only one I have heard make the dramatic statement that it represented "one of those historical moments in Presidential debates that will forever be remembered in highlights of past debates." As usual, everyone is looking for some nefarious undercurrent in order to be able to apply some label to McCain. Believe me, I am much more concerned with Obama's false claims about being an agent of change (false being demonstrated by a complete absence of historical evidence that he is anything other than a ultra-liberal that has never done a bipartisan thing in his life) than I am about McCain being disrespectful or discourteous.
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MartiniMan
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10/8/2008 3:59:03 PM
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I completely disagree that McCain showed his age in the least. He actually looked very sprightly and I suspect he has his Mother's constitution. Veiled references to his age is just another tact to try to undermine him. Check out his campaign schedule and you will see he has plenty of energy and vitality and will have no problem with the job.
I do agree that it was a close one and give McCain the win on points where he needed more of a knockout (and I could accept the argument that it went the other way but I don't think so). Having said that, the polls are starting to tighten again (Obama is down 1% in the RCP average) although the electoral college map looks more daunting. I suspect the race will continue to tighten as McCain defines Obama for who he is (more liberal than the last two Dems the electorate didn't pick) and it will be a nail biter on election day.
What is interesting is watching the media template that if Obama loses then it will be because he is black (Gergen, Carville, Begala, etc.). If he loses it will be because he is too liberal and the undecided voters don't know him well enough to trust or when they really get to know him they won't like him. My view is that if he wins one reason will be that the black vote went for him overwhelmingly......not that I blame them, but imagine if 95% of white voters voted for McCain and only 5% voted for Obama. I can only imagine the headlines. Fortunately that will never be the case. So, I am of the view (with no hard data to back this up) that between the additional 2%-3% of additional black vote and a larger black voter turnout it will more than compensate for those that won't vote for him because of the color of his skin. Something I find reprehensible, but they are out there and they do vote.
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Neither of them did a great job last night. I (and the talking head this morning) thought McCain looked tense and uncomfortable. I didn't think he "connected" with the audience at all. I thought he looked and sounded desperate.
I thought I heard McCain say that he wants the federal government to buy back the bad loans and reissue loans so people can stay in their homes -- did I hear that right? Where is that money going to come from??? Even this morning, the talking heads seemed puzzled as to why McCain didn't preface this as a "new idea" because none of them seemed aware he had ever proposed it before. And I can't believe that he's proposing to "freeze" government spending. That just never works, and he'd hardly be the first to try it. And a $5000 tax credit for everyone and double the child deduction??? Please. What about the deficet?
You know, I listen and I don't hear anything that even remotely sounds like a plan from either one -- all they talk about is whose taxes they are going to cut and how they are going to spend more money. The only positive thing I heard last night was that both of them would consider Warren Buffet for Treasury Secretary.
The next big crisis is going to be on the interest rates on credit cards, which apparently, a lot of people use to attain a standard of living they can't afford.
The most sensible thing I heard last night was not at the debate. It was an interview Charles Gibson did with some elderly woman in a small town in Ohio. She said that "they need to get back to basics, and people should be buying what they can't afford.". I wonder if she'd be willing to run for President?
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MartiniMan
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10/9/2008 10:01:19 AM
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I personally think the entire debate format is awful. I really wish Obama had the nerve to agree with McCain early on to the series of 20 townhall debates that are not moderated by pompous blowhards from the mainstream media or leftist Obama lovers that lie about themselves (i.e., Gwen Awful not disclosing her Obama Nation book, one I would re-title Obamination).
All politicians use these debates as a forum to try to get their message out. Your view of McCain's performance is tainted by your partisan view of him and not any reality. If it weren't for the economy taking all the oxygen out of the room he would still be ahead. Such is life and if we get stuck with Obama/Pelosi/Reid I already look forward to your excuses over the next four years.
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