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watchdog
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/16/2011 11:30:12 PM
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Yes, we know there is a "drought", but what is also happening is APCO is also realeasing water for canoeists at Jordan Dam (aka, "recreational releases"). Check it out at www.boatingbeta.com/releases/coosa to see their schedule for 2011. They are still releasing water for the canoeists at Jordan and we have no water-in this "drought". That is why we have no water and according to their rules at that web site, they are supposed to suspend the releases if there is a "drought". They haven't. And it is too late now. Here it is the first-middle of June and our boat is stuck in the mud! When I discussed this with a previous reservoir coordinator, he said the canoeists had just as much right to the water as LML residents do. How much property tax does canoeists pay? How much electricity does APCO sell to canoeists? How much sales tax do they collect from canoeists from lost business on LML? etc. etc. There is no problem releaseing water for the canoeists as long as there is enough flow; but if there is NOT, we (LML) should come before the canoeists! Instead, the canoeists come first. LML residents need a voice with APCO. I have a petition if anyone is interested in getting your neighbors to sign it and send to APCO - again. Since it is the beginning of summer, maybe we can do something to keep the water up! Anybody any other ideas?
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TonyRBP
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/17/2011 8:38:13 AM
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Just to answer a couple of your questions. How much property tax do canoeist pay ? I do not know because I do know where they live. I feel fairly certain they pay property tax just like everyone else. Also, why would APCO care how much property tax they pay ? The state of AL gets that, not APCO. Next, how much power do they use ? My guess would be that they use about the same amount as you and I. Next, how much sales tax do they collect from canoeist ? Again none, APCO does not collect sales tax from anyone. All that being said, I wish everyone would stop whinning about water levels. When everyone at LML bbought or rented property there, they should have known the situation. It has been this way for 40 years and most likely is not gonna change anytime soon. Just enjoy what you have or move.
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LMLPA
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/17/2011 10:21:27 AM
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Effective - 6/13/2011
In accordance with Alabama Power’s license for the Jordan Project, all weekend recreational releases will be cancelled until further notice. Dry conditions have resulted in low inflows and storage reservoir elevations more than one foot below rule curve. The normal minimum flow of 2000 cfs will not be impacted
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Chris
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/17/2011 4:44:15 PM
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Rain today and yesterday. Logan dam turbine release 10,554 cfs.
The real problem is water wars and Alabama power trying to make a bad situation with Georgia look worse than it really is. Expect this to get much worse before it gets better. Judge Bowdre does not seem to want to make a ruling on Allatoona withdrawl.
Even if she did it would not matter until the Supreme court rules on the whole deal.
The only real option is to cause bad publicity for Alabama power.
What is LMLPA's position on water levels?
Are they involved at all?
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LMLPA
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/17/2011 6:48:01 PM
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The flow of the Coosa River is dictated by the Corp of Engineers and not Alabama Power. The LMLPA is actively involved with the water levels of Logan Martin Lake. Georgia is making repeated attempts to divert water from the Etowah basin into Atlanta and not returning to the same basin, this is called cross boundry transfer in which the Coosa River may show a reduce water flow. We have been in negotiations with the the corp plus continuous correspondance with FERC and to federal, state and local governments. We are in a drought situation and until we can significant rainfall in the northern part of Alabama and in North Georgia it will continue. It is refreshing that individuals such as yourself are concerned however it would be even better if you joined the LMLPA because there is strength in numbers. Go to www.lmlpa.org for more information on how you can participate.
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| Name: |
watchdog
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/17/2011 11:50:31 PM
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We’ve been on LML since 1978 and we know about the water levels there and how they USED to be and how they are SUPPOSED to be according to the APCO/LML and Corp of Engineers guidelines. Only since in the early 90’s did the canoes and changes start messing up LML water levels. Again, go to the web site mentioned in my earlier message and you will see their releases and then compare that to water levels on LML. Also, it is hard to enjoy our boat stuck in the mud. Our place is useless and cannot be enjoyed. Obviously, you must be a canoiest.
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watchdog
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/18/2011 12:04:04 AM
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The minimum flow of 2000 cfs has NOT been implemented yet. As of today 6-17-11, Friday, 10:30 PM they are releasing 3109 cfs.
The point is - due to dry conditions - they should have reduced the recreational releases at Jordan several weeks ago before they lowered our LML water levels to what they are now. They did not. It is too late now for us on LML - our boats are stuck in the mud now and have been for a week.
If we do not get some changes made now to protect our water levels- with Georgia trying to take our water also- we won't have a useable lake in the future.
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watchdog
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/18/2011 12:22:46 AM
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I'm glad to know that the LMPA is involved in the water level negotiations now. When we were members years ago, the LMPA was not. We do understand the drought situation, however, again, the point is that they should have reduced the extra releases due to the "drought" for the canoes several weeks ago before the water levels dropped so drastically on LML. And besides, in my conversations with Alabama Power, they said most canoeists are happy with the 2000 cfs releases that's required for the snails at Jordan.
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LMLPA
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/18/2011 9:31:37 AM
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I understand your displeasure with the releases on Lake Jordan, however that is only one generator release and that must take place because of the restrictions FERC and the Corp have placed on the operator Alabama Power. Water release for recreational use has been ended until conditions permit. Now you stated that LMLPA was never involved with the water level...the reason LMLPA was formed was due to the dewindling water level in the ninety's because of the growth of Atlanta. Matter of fact the individuals who were originally involved with the water level are still involved and still being a pain to the Corp and to FERC as we all who belong to LMPA. We need people such as yourself to help keep us posted of things that might need attention. We will be having our general meeting July 21st at the Pell City Civic Center at 6 pm and tentatively have the Executive Vice President for Environmental Affairs for Alabama Power scheduled to speak and take questions. This could be your opportunity to address questions you may have concerning Lake Jordan.
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ALLSOUTH1
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/21/2011 9:49:32 AM
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Hello,
I understand all the regulations and where everybody stands, but why is LML 1.74 below level and all the other lakes are within 1.00 in the chain. Lay is within .10 of full pool. It just seems that LML takes the hit everytime. I am a member LMLPA.
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LMLPA
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/21/2011 11:03:58 AM
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Very good question. It appears that Weiss, Henry Neely and Logan Martin are showing signs of the severe draught while Lay Mitchell and Jordan seems to be close to normal. I can understand Lay because of the steam plant going at full tilt trying to keep up with electricity demands but the others I'm not quite sure. I'll contact APCO and see what's going on.
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Chris
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/21/2011 11:29:40 AM
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"The flow of the Coosa River is dictated by the Corp of Engineers and not Alabama Power."
To some extent I believe this to be true, but I am pretty sure that the Corp approves guidelines set forth by APCO. APCO controls the dams and is supposed to operate them in accordance with the guidelines or rule curves approved by the Corp. These guidelines do not dictate when APCO can run turbines, they only give very broad ranges of operation. Please correct me if I am wrong.
In the past couple of years I have noted large volumes of releases from LM dam at what are typically non-peak demand hours and at periods when LM is well below the rule curve. This is not at the Corps direction.
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LMLPA
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/21/2011 11:58:48 AM
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Chris, you are absolutely correct in your assumptions that the corp sets guidelines on APCO for maintaining water levels within parameters given to them by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) for operation of the dam. However, APCO also has responsibility for the operation of other impoundments on the Coosa and they have to be kept within guidelines as well. You have to remember Logan Martin is a control reservoir for water levels on downstream lakes and I think (that's my assumption) we are the sacrificial lamb to maintain them. Chris, if you are a member of LMLPA or would like to be a member we are going to have a guest speaker from APCO who might be able to answer those questions and definitely a lot more qualified than me.
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BamaKat
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LMLPA question
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6/21/2011 12:45:45 PM
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I joined the LMLPA at lakefest, my home on the lake is a second home so I cannot be at the meeting. Is there anyway you could post a general question / answers that the APCO rep discusses after the meeting in relation to the water level.
thanks
Mike
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LMLPA
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LMLPA question
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6/21/2011 3:23:17 PM
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You know that's not a bad idea. I'll see what I can do Thanks,
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Chris
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Reasons for Low Water on LML
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6/21/2011 4:58:38 PM
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I - like Bamakat - am not full time. It may be hard for me to make weekday meetings.
I do intend to join LMLPA now that I know that they are doing more than just river watchers and renew our rivers. LMLPA may have a perception problem. Everyone that I speak to about the organization says that they are only concerned with water quality and the clean up. I believe these are very worthwhile causes, but I also believe water levels to be of great importance - now more than ever.
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| Name: |
bama dave
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LMLPA Is On Our Side
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6/27/2011 6:27:53 PM
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LMLPA also fought and won the war when the state was trying to dictate how big of a boat you could have on the lake. Lakes that did not have an association fighting lost and now have limits.
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