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Name:	slisasucks -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/2/2008 11:36:05 PM

Is it me, or is their website lacking? I mean, what are these few developers trying to do? Besides taking a lot of money from some unsuspecting locals, they haven't accomplished a single thing that would increase the water quality of Smith Lake! Actually, all they've done, is to take a few pictures of the shoreline during one of the worst droughts in years, and complained about APCO. They continually bring up Gorgas and cooling towers, I have an idea for SLISA: Since they seem to think that more water is the answer to everything, and since they think that adding cooling towers with solve this issue, then why not offer to re-inburse APCO for the costs of the towers, if they don't solve a thing? If they spent their money on solving issues rather than hiring attorneys to try and scare APCO into spending millions for some towers that MAY or MAY NOT rectify the problems that SLISA feels exist on this wonderful lake.

Name:	Handy Man -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/3/2008 10:31:41 PM

Cooling towers still would not alleviate the problem of navigation for barges and flood control issues. I agree that the lake could be managed better to keep the water levels higher but I do think SLISA has taken the wrong approach that makes profitable motivation from developments highly obvious and somewhat offensive to many people. Seems there is little consideration for the little folks, people down the river below the dam, and the local people who have enjoyed the lake since it was built. I see very little local economy benefits from the development on the lake. Funny how the pavement ran out at the gates to the upscale community up the road and I'm still on a gravel road.... un-cool!!!!

Name:	waterph -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/6/2008 4:41:23 PM

I just copied some of your various comments posted on this site for everyone to read and formulate their own opinions as to what your real agenda is. I personally concluded that it's not about water quality; water level; or SLISA. I believe that you have a personal grudgge against Jared Key or some others involved with SLISA and this forum allows you to vent your frustrations.

1. Now if they really cared about the water quality at Smith Lake, all that money they've been spending trying to fight APCO could have been used to help fund lake clean-ups as well as the Smith Lake Conservation Society.

2. I mean, what are these few developers trying to do? Besides taking a lot of money from some unsuspecting locals, they haven't accomplished a single thing that would increase the water quality of Smith Lake!

Questions from waterph - What percenta of the existing property on Smith Lake is owned by these few developers? What percent of the taxes paid to Winston, Cullman, and Walker counties are paid by these developers? What percent of the watercraft, boat docks, gasoline, home construction, etc are purchased by these developers? Who are the unsuspecting locals?

3. Actually, all they've done, is to take a few pictures of the shoreline during one of the worst droughts in years, and complained about APCO.

Comments from waterph - If I remember correctly, I do not remember seeing any photographs from developers. Those I saw were from THE DECATUR DAILY, BIRMINGHAM NEWS, and other media. And, they were numerous.

4. I just heard that SLISA is going to join forces with the Smith Lake Preservation Commitee, in order to help clean-up the lake!
APRIL FOOLS!
Nah, they still only care about getting the water levels stabilized in order to sell off all of their seasonal water lots they purchased...

5. What I don't want, is the local marine law enforcement tell me what size engine, etc I can have on my boat or watercraft. We don't need new laws, just someone that enforces the present ones. You also need people that repect each others feelings and your space on the lake. By the way, why isn't SLISA trying to help with any of these problems? Maybe they're too busy trying to get their useless land developed?

Questions from waterph - Where is this "useless land"? Should SLISA be involved in engine sizes, etc. Whaty are the real issues for Smith Lake?

6. The ONLY reason SLISA was ever created, was to bankroll the costs of a few greedy developers that were trying to fight APCO in order to have miles of seasonal water front lots become "Year-round" water...

Questions from waterph - What does the charter for SLISA say? Who are the greedy developers?

7. Seems like your empire is crumbling along with the rest of the developers and scum-suckers that are whoring out this lake to make a quick buck. HOW DO YA'LL SLEEP AT NIGHT, KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE UP TO?

8. I didn't notice anything on SLISA's website about the "Renew Our River's" cleanup. WHY? I thought you guys care about the water quality on Smith Lake? Or maybe it's just the WATER LEVEL you care about?

9. Seems the only people on this forum that are constantly complaining about the lake levels are the developers that have the most to gain by increasing the lake levels

Question from waterph - I am a private property owner and I'm unhappy with water level management practices? I read many other comments from those I consider to be property owners. Please tell this forum of a comment where the author is a developer.

10. By the way, I own a "Seasonal" lot, so I too would gain from increased water levels, fortunately though I can see through the SMOKE & MIRRORS that Jared and his cronies have formed in order to further their bank accounts.

11. Hey Jared, haven't you heard? Your group has been denied the extension to file the complaints from your "Steak" Holders, Maybe you and the rest of the developers you work for will now take all those that donated their cash under false pretenses to a nice steak dinner. At least you should do that for them.

Name:	slisasucks -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/9/2008 12:31:29 AM

WHAT have you accomplished? You copied and pasted some of my comments, but STILL haven't answered NOT ONE. All you do is continually pose your own questions. I can tell you this much: If slisa would post the names of the people heading the association, then I could give you the names of these developers. They have very conveniently left these names off, to cover up their true agenda. Oh, yes, if I send in my $20.00 bucks, then I will have access to these names, NO THANKS!

Name:	waterph -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/9/2008 1:42:03 PM

SLISASUCKS

It's amazing as to how you continue to skirt around very straight forward issues. I believe that we are trying to complicate something that is simple. I remember the comments by James Carville when Bill Clinton ran the first time against Bush Sr - "It's the Economy". I believe that the phrase to day would be - "It's water level."

Rather than me not answering questions, I would suggest that the reverse is true. I have yet to read an answer to any of the questions that I asked for you to respond to. Now come on and start being honest with me and others on this forum as to what you are trying to accomplish with your comments.

And by the way, I went to the SLISA web site (SLISA.org) and copied information for you to read. Since you stated that you would not pay $20 for this information, I simply went to their web site, for free, and got the information that you were talking about. None of these individual were opposed to posting their name as an office of SLISA or a member of the SLISA Board.

Information below is from the SLISA web site (open for everyone with access to a computer).

SLISA has over 3,000 stakeholders that have signed up because they care about the quality of Smith Lake and they care about their own quality of life in the Smith Lake community.

Who, exactly, are ¡§stakeholders,¡¨ you might ask?

Examples of Stakeholders may include: Fishermen, Property Owners, Marina Owners, Naturalists and Conservationists, Boat Owners, Boat Dock Builders, Realtors, Condominium Owners, Developers, Campers, Civitans, and even Alabama Power Company.

In order to accomplish our mission, SLISA is tasked to do the following:

1. To forge partnerships among stakeholders, homeowners, and professionals who care about Smith Lake;

2. To share vital information among SLISA members regarding policies that are important to the existence, protection and preservation of Smith Lake;

3. To increase public awareness among citizens in the state who live outside the Smith Lake community;

4. To monitor, support, endorse or oppose any proposals, legislation, regulations, and/or legal proceedings which could have a significant impact (positive or negative) upon the conditions of Smith Lake and the citizens and communities thus affected by those actions;

5. To mobilize members of SLISA and the surrounding Smith Lake community when serious ¡§calls to action¡¨ are warranted in dealing with local, state and federal officials and/or entities of the private sector;

Our purpose is meaningful and our existence is crucial.

Our resolve to challenge such a politically-connected and powerful company like Alabama Power which earned over five billion dollars in revenues in 2006 must be strong.

Your annual membership and active participation in SLISA is absolutely necessary to show that homeowners and stakeholders have a right to be heard. We must voice our opinions and offer suggestions to those who are entrusted with the proper management of our beautiful Smith Lake.

Contact Info. For SLISA

Give us a call if you have any questions or need information. Our office is located a quarter mile north of Duncan Bridge on Hwy. 41.

Smith Lake Improvement & Stakeholders Association, Inc.
Telephone #: 205-295-0898
Fax #: 205-295-0899
Mailing Address: SLISA, Inc.
P.O. Box 496
Arley, AL 35541

Website: www.slisa.org

SLISA¡¦s Board of Directors
Bill Waldrop (Chairman)
Jared Key (205) 516-2186 - info@slisa.org
James D. Hogan (205) 489-6501 - winstonmachinery@yahoo.com
Hillard Brannon
Edward O. Shipman
Gary White
Tarrie Hyche
Raymond Banks
Shannon Banks
Joseph Watts (205) 516-4823 -reg3355@aol.com
James H. Posey

SLISA¡¦s Officers
Jared Key (President)
James D. Hogan (Vice-President)
Jeff Hyche (Secretary/Treasurer)

Become a SLISA Member

Help us fight Alabama Power Company¡¦s draining of Smith Lake!
There are several ways that you can join the Smith Lake Improvements & Stakeholders Association (SLISA) and help us wage battle against Alabama Power Company¡¦s unbridled greed:
„h Join SLISA today by becoming an official member.

„h Subscribe here for email updates so that we can keep you informed of the very latest news, issues and events.

„h Sign our Online Petition that will be delivered to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, members of Alabama¡¦s Congressional Delegation, members of The Alabama State House of Representatives, members of The Alabama State Senate, various Alabama Media Outlets and officials at Alabama Power Company.

„h Write a personalized letter to any of the following people of influence and express your personal thoughts about why Alabama Power should agree to maintaining a fair and reasonable minimal pool level on Smith Lake. The addresses are (here).
(*Past history and experience shows that mass-produced ¡§form¡¨ letters are not as effective as original letters, so we politely ask that you ompose and express your own correspondence.)

„h If you have your own Blog, please link our website to it and feel free to help us publicize our cause.

„h Simply show your support with an Online Donation which will help fund both our primary mission to improve the lake and our public relations campaign against Alabama Power Company.

„h If you have any news, items of interest, pictures, documents or some other ¡§insider¡¨ info that we might have use for, visit our confidential "Whistle-blowers" page and pass along what you know--- and what Alabama Power Company and its cohorts don¡¦t want us to.

„h Drop us a line (here) and give us any suggestions, tips, pictures, or stories that we can use to make this website better.

Name:	slisasucks -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/11/2008 3:12:28 AM

OK Jared, OPPS, there I go again... Sorry waterph, so you did post those names I was talking about... Funny thing, it used to be available even to non-members... Wonder why they stopped that access? Seems to me I see some key names in your posting, which are in fact developers. Matter of fact, not mentioning any names, some of them have a HUGE stake in the level of Smith Lake; NOT because they care of the quality and cleanliness of the lake, BUT because they still own several thousand feet of "SEASONAL WATER FRONT LAND"
By the way, you're totally INCORRECT, the question the locals and land owners should be asking, is how would raising the lake levels affect the cleanliness of the lake, when all that additional seasonal land becomes year round, and is sold to builders that continually try and fill every square foot of the property with HIGH DENSITY (Read Condo's) housing? Additional boat traffic, additional trash thrown into the water, additional topsoil erroding and flowing into the water from massive tree clearing.
You are correct about one issue: Raising the lake levels will bring about change, howver, I don't feel they're positive changes.

Name:	keyman -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/20/2008 8:36:51 PM

This post is to anyone who would like to conatct me and speak directly with me. Once again, waterph is not Jared Key. I am sure of that because I am Jared Key. My phone number is 205 516 2186. If you are really interested in the truth it would only be fair to talk to me, not about me. I am not afraid of any question and would be happy to discuss the facts with anyone on this forum or any other.

keyman

Name:	slisasucks -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/22/2008 11:13:25 AM

ONE QUESTION JARED: How much property do you own that would benefit from the water levels being raised and kept above 498? And I'm not talking about property for personal use, I'm talking about property for resale(AT A HUGE PROFIT) because it all of the sudden becomes "Year round" water front? Of course, you know that this is public knowledge and can easily be researched online using the assessors office records.
I'm eagerly awaiting a response for this one....

Name:	keyman -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/22/2008 2:45:25 PM

I'm not sure about the 498'. Normally most people refer to the 496'.
So by taking the water level from the 496' to the 502' (which is what SLISA is asking for) would change about 700' of property from seasonal to year-round.

Now to hold up your end of the bargain. Where would you like to meet to discuss the real issues in a public forum? Why don't you post your phone number as I did?

Name:	waterph -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/22/2008 7:52:38 PM

SLISASUCKS

Come on now and give Jared some answers. Fess up! This is your opportunity to come face to face with the President of SLISA and discuss facts. You have made many accusations on this forum. Now is the time for you to reveal who SLISASUCKS is. If anyone can speak for SLISA, Jared is that person.

Jared in his numerous letters on this forum has provided excellent information some of which I have never heard before. If you are truly independent of Alabama Power and a private property owner and have the level of interest in Smith Lake that you profess, you can now start dealing in facts. Jared has.

Tell everyone what your true agenda is against SLISA and some of its officers. It's time to start telling the truth.

For example, why would private property owner not be interested in a minimum level for Smith Lake? I have yet to meet the first property owner who would not appreciate a minimum of 502 feet. That's almost like country folks turning down a paved road in favor of gravel roads with potholes everywhere. It does not pass the common sense test.

Name:	slisasucks -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/22/2008 11:02:55 PM

Quite frankly, if the lake level were raised to where SLISA would want to keep it, that would create that many more miles of lake front "Year-round" versus seasonal. In turn, this would provide "MORE" valuable land to the real estate market, which in turn will increase the population on this lake. Increased population is increased usage, trash, docks, congestion, etc. Jared and all his cronies would LOVE this, since that 700 FT of seasonal land he's holding onto, which easily be worth over $1,000.000! Not bad for an investment that he probably made of less than $100K(Which is also available on line) Now Jared, you told me to "Hold on to my side of the bargin" What side is that? I don't remember making any "DEALS" with you. My stance is the same: SLISA was created by developers, and "Other" interested parties in order to make their useless land increase in value more than ten-fold. How much land does Tarrie and Neal own that is seasonal? ETC.... You guys want to talk to me? Why? I can recognize a crook when I see one.

Name:	keyman -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/22/2008 11:23:22 PM

I think that everyone can see who is open and honest and who is hiding.I have given my name and number and agreed to answer any questions.
You on the other hand only offer bitterness and hatred. But only a coward talks about someone before they talk to someone.
By the way APC owns over 600 acres on Smith Lake and they only paid
a quarter for some of them. I don't here you calling them greedy.

Name:	slisasucks -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/23/2008 4:27:10 AM

HONEST? What do I have to gain if APCO raises their lake levels?
Increase boat traffic, congestion, pollution.....
What do you and the rest of your money-hungry developers have to gain?
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY...... If you're being HONEST, as you say you are, then tell everyone on this board what it is you will gain from higher lake levels? MONEY, and lots of it. Just like Neal and Tarrie, all you gentlemen care about is the PROFITS you will reap from your land becoming "Year-round" over night. I for one, can care less of your greed and pocketbook, but I do care of the increased boat traffic, trash and pollution brought about by the increased pimping of this beautiful lake. It's too bad that you guys don't feel the same.

Name:	slisasucks -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/25/2008 1:39:26 AM

I received this email today and just figured I needed to post it in it's entirety. I must say, it reminds me of Elementary School days of years gone by; When children used to say: My Dad is stronger than your Dad.. My Dad makes more money than your Dad... My Dad can kick your Dad's Butt..... I think you get the picture:

The following comment was sent from the Smith Lake Forum regarding your message "SLISA's WEBSITE" from 4/23/2008 4:27:10 AM:

Mr. Whoever you (think you) are; I am Jared Key's wife. I have sat by and listened to ignorant idiots like yourself down my husband. He has more integrity in one hair than you obviously have in your whole being. He has pleaded with me to leave this alone. But one can only take so much bitterness and hatred when directed at your spouse especially when it us unfounded. You are too much of a coward to talk personaly with him as he has asked you to do. You hide behind your computer and spew lies, point fingers at people whom you have never spoken with and know not one thing about. Only what you have conjured up in your simple little mind or spoon fed by individuals who are passing on lies. GREED - What is your problem? As you have so numerously stated, all of the facts about what we own and what we paid for them are part of public record, we paid alot for what we own. We live in a small house and live a very middle class life. I want my children's children to be able to enjoy this lake just as Jared did when he was growing up. But if the citizens of these communities don't stand up for the most wonderful and beautiful resourse they have then my children will hardly be able to enjoy this lake. You need to do some research on your own about the lake. I think you would be surprised at what you learn about Alabama Power and how they have prostituted this lake for their personal gain! This lake wasn't just built to produce power it was for recreation also as stated in the original license 50 years ago. If you would just look it up. Are you so backwards that you can't see the improvements that will happen to our schools, roads and all of our communities. I personally have two small children who are in the Winston County School System. I am all for being able to provide better education for my children and even the children of an idiot like you. If you have children I certainly hope that they learn a little about communication and integrity. Two characteristics which you apparently have no concept of the meaning. It apalls me when persons of your limited knowledge and intelligence make yourself feel high and mighty by demeaning someone..... someone you know not one thing personally about. So, as my husband has asked before, Are you willing to meet with him and discuss these issues you have with him? Or are you going to remain a coward and hide behind your rambling on this forum? Anything that Jared has ever said can be backed up with documents. Not like most of the lies you rattle off without any knowledge. Kim Key

Maybe I should have my wife write Jared an email....... Hmmmm?

Name:	slisasucks -	Reply
Subject:	SLISA's WEBSITE
Date:	4/25/2008 1:49:28 AM

I'm sorry that posting TRUTHS on this site has upset Mrs. Key. That was never my intention, and I do respect women more than anyone else on this earth. However, one would have to ask: Why are so many people opposed to SLISA? If they truly have the Good Will and Ambassadorship of Smith Lake on their agenda, why wouldn't everyone want to join in? I still haven't seen one mention of Renew our Rivers on SLISA's website, yet, Mrs. Key professes that she want's her children to enjoy the lake in the years to come. So do I, but trying to strong-arm APCO into raising the minimum levels, which is a balancing act, which I feel they've been doing a remarkable job at, has a lot more to do, than "Just" Smith Lake Levels. There's downstream navagation, which has to be kept to a minimum according to Army Corps of Engineers, etc. I don't think that creating additional lake frontage is going to do anything to help the environment or eco-systems of Smith Lake. Again, I ask how much "Seasonal" waterfront is owned by the Heads of SLISA? Why don't they come out and make it common knowledge?
GREED
One of the Original Sins.....

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