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Name:	waterph -	Reply
Subject:	Water Drop Since May 29
Date:	6/13/2009 8:47:15 AM

Just from the curve of 2008 and May 29 thru June 12, 2009, the curve equations appear to be identical. Yet, 2008 was considered to be a year of draught and 2009's rainfall has been plenty. So, what's going on?

One conclusion is that the drawdown in 2009 will be identical to 2008 unless something changes. This is totally unreasonable in lieu of the rainfall numbers for 2009 unless APC is already pursuing the same water cooling quantities for Gorgas.

I have not heard anything about the permitting by FERC. Hopefully, some adjustments would have been included by FERC to get a balance between recreational needs on Amith and those needs by Gorgas. Apparrently not baased on the water numbers.

Name:	LOCOonWater -	Reply
Subject:	Water Drop Since May 29
Date:	6/13/2009 12:42:44 PM

Those of us who did our homework already knew the drought was not the reason for low water levels at least now people will see APC for what they really are. They should change their name to Alabama Liar Company.

Name:	Bill -	Reply
Subject:	Water Drop Since May 29
Date:	6/15/2009 1:12:51 PM

Dude you just remind me of a crotchety old man that used to live behind me when I was growing up in New Jersey. He was never happy unless he had something to bitch about.

Here we are... sitting at 510' on JUNE 15 and you're STILL not happy. :shakeshead:

Did you read the document referenced in another thread in this forum? I quote:

"Under section 10(a) of the FPA, we must consider the developmental and non-developmental uses of a waterway. This includes the multi-purposes served by the Warrior Project. In this case we must balance the need for power, flood control, navigation and commerce, water quality, aquatic resources and recreation.

We conclude that the costs of the Lake Association's alternative outweigh the benefits, and it is not in the overall public interest to adopt this measure."

That's it. Done. Where is SLISA now? They just folded up their offices and website and disappeared? What about the other issues facing the lake? Trash, overdevelopment.. etc? Why would they bail just because they lost their fight to keep the levels of the lake up? Perhaps that is all they really cared about? I thought they were about the overall good of the lake?

You never quit complaining about water level. I WILL give you some credit though.. you complain about power rates too so I don't lump you in with the guys who only care about the water levels.

In any case you still only say something when you want to complain. I'm done with you. Seriously. I'm done. Good luck in your goal to just be miserable. :)

Name:	lotowner -	Reply
Subject:	Water Drop Since May 29
Date:	6/15/2009 5:48:30 PM

Bill

It's not about being miserable. I could really care less about you being upset with my post to this forum. This is a free country. If you don't like what I'm saying, go read a magazine, cut your brush, or just sit down and relax. If you are happy with 16 foot fluctuations in water every year - Great! Please also notice that I am refraining from using any cute words to describe you.

There are issues that need to be addressed and in my opinion, 16 foot fluctuation's in water level is unacceptable when there is a fix. If APC were building Gorgas today, Cooling Towers would be part of the design criteria.

I am not aware of SLISA's current position. If you say that they have shut down their office, that is news to me.

SLISA was successful in bringing the issue of water level fluctuations to the attention of many Smith Lake residents. For the first time, APC publicly admitted that Gorgas could not operate without the cooler waters from Smith Lake. So, all is not lost.

I am also unaware of a decision by FERC to issue a permit to APC. If this has happened, would someone please direct me to the location so I can read the ruling.

Name:	waterph -	Reply
Subject:	Water Drop Since May 29
Date:	6/15/2009 9:04:51 PM

Thanks Lotowner

I could not have answered his comments any better.

Name:	Bill -	Reply
Subject:	Water Drop Since May 29
Date:	6/16/2009 12:37:45 AM

My comment wasn't directed at you. Why would you even think that?

Name:	LOCOonWater -	Reply
Subject:	Water Drop Since May 29
Date:	6/16/2009 12:46:40 AM

Bill congratulation for being the only one to make a total idiot of themselves by showing us all you do not have a clue about what is going on with the water levels or even care.

Name:	turnipgreen -	Reply
Subject:	Water Drop Since May 29
Date:	6/17/2009 11:51:02 AM

I guess you have to count me as an idiot too.

FERC ruled in favor of APC, the documents are online somewhere. APC at this point is following a predefined curve (very closely). Water has been up this spring and is still at full pool, although it will start down soon, as it has for a long time. Do I wish it would stay higher for a longer time? Yes. Did I know it would go up and down 14 feet per year when I bought at the lake? Yes.

I guess I don't know what else to say. It is what it is, and with the license renewed, it will be what it has been.

Ron

Name:	waterph -	Reply
Subject:	Water Drop Since May 29
Date:	6/17/2009 2:39:41 PM

If APC has been instructed by FERC as part of the permit process to follow the Rule Curve, this is a significant concession on the part of APC.

Name:	turnipgreen -	Reply
Subject:	Water Drop Since May 29
Date:	6/17/2009 2:45:38 PM

I obviously didn't state that right then. An earlier post by someone mentioned that APC was following the rule curve and things were going down. I look on the APC site, and they seem to follow an established curve, and they are right on schedule.

As far as I know APC made no concessions, FERC ruled in their favor, things will continue to function as they have for the past 30 years, and arguments like this will continue.

Ron

Name:	Binza46 -	Reply
Subject:	Another Idiot Here
Date:	6/22/2009 4:13:00 PM

I bought and paid a premium for year round water. Those who bought and paid a lower price for seasonal water still have what they bought. They have not been damaged or lost anything. The lake has been fluctuating for many years. I got what I paid for and so did seasonal lot owners.

I dont have any idea what is going on with the SLI people but there is a for sale sign on the building. I never joined and never intended to join. Their agenda and who is behind the movement was transparent from the first meeting I attended.

Name:	LOCOonWater -	Reply
Subject:	Another Idiot Here
Date:	6/23/2009 7:47:38 PM

Binza the complaint has never been about water fluctuation you are correct it's been that way for years the complaint has been how much it has varied over the past few years. I wish everyone could come together on this issue and quit making it an issue of seasonal lot owners, and deep water lot owners. After all there has been some of the deep water lot owners who has seen the water drop so low that their docks were not in the water and some even saw their walkways fall from the banks. This should be a matter of concern for everyone.

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