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waterph
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Water Level Changes
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8/19/2009 8:44:14 PM
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I've been observing the water levels in a year of high rain fall and the same old story continues to unfold. APC is draining the lake again to feed Gorgas. To H*&%# with the property owners on Smith Lake. Corporate America still reigns and the dollar still controls all decisions.
I wonder what the ruling would be in a class action suit against APC on the basis that Smith Lake was originally permitted to generate hydro power and not as a feed source for a downstream coal fired plant. Atlanta lost their suit on the basis that the lake was built for hydro power and not as a source of drinking water for Atlanta. I look forward to seeing if a similar ruling would prevail for Smith Lake.
As with Obama's Health Care proposal, the powers to be only listen when the people get pissed off. Maybe the population on Smith Lake is beginning to feel the same about abuse of water level on Smith and soon will tell APC that enough is enough..
The water level on 8/2/09 was 506.2 feet: 504.1 feet on 8/18/09, a drop of 2.1 feet after 16 days. After greater than 1.5 inches of rainfall on Tuesday, 8/18/09, the level still changed to 503.9 feet on 8/19/09. Absolutely amazing. Even with God's cooperation by supplying rain, APC is still going to drop the level. I'll bet the farm that these level changes were not necessary due to hydro demands, navigation demands, or drinking water demands from local utilities.
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| Name: |
CO2
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Water Level Changes
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8/20/2009 1:29:19 AM
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While I'm all for something like halving the high and low to make the lake less trouble for property owners and water activity I wonder how it would affect shoreline erosion.
A big difference if the water changed little, for example, eating away at it in one place every day of the year. And yet Smith Lake moves up and down by so much even half might not matter at all.
Could it be that when rain is likely they let water out to keep sudden rises from happening?
Tropical storm Claudette sure didn't make much rain for the lake but maybe they thought it was going to. Not that I'm defending APC but that's a possible reason for letting water out, and not always needing to do so.
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Bill
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Water Level Changes
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8/20/2009 1:14:36 PM
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>Maybe the population on Smith Lake is beginning to feel the same
>about abuse of water level on Smith and soon will tell APC that
>enough is enough..
I dunno. I'm pretty happy with the way things went this summer. After all it's only a few days from Labor Day and the lake JUST dropped below 505. Not bad.
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Mo
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Water Level Changes
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8/20/2009 1:37:36 PM
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I was wondering when the crying was going to start. If you look at the charts, APC does this every year and they will do it again next year. They will pull the water until late November until the lake is around 496.
Learn to live with it.
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DUCKBUT
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Water Level Changes
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8/21/2009 8:28:49 PM
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AMEN MO, AMEN
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waterph
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Water Level Changes
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8/21/2009 9:43:42 PM
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Just stay tuned. Maybe the tide will turn one of these days and then each one of you will say how great it is to have a healthy water level of Smith lake.
This country is changing and ordinary people are beginning to ask questions and insist on change. Who would have ever thought that GM would have gone into bankruptcy. Who would have also thought that Colonial Bank would go down. Who would have thought that the "Messiah" would have the low ratings that he has today. Nothing or no one is invincible.
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LOCOonWater
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Water Level Changes
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8/22/2009 10:11:36 PM
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Oh i'm sure Bill will find something wrong with your logic. After all if apc quit letting the water out more than what they claim Bill probably would'nt have a job.
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Yankee06
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Water Level Changes
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8/23/2009 3:39:38 PM
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-There has been alot of posts about water levels since I moved to the lake two years ago.
-Obviously, when SLISA was a force, even more discussion occured.
-However, one post several years ago stays in my mind, because it seems to have passed the test of time.
-The writer claimed to have worked at Gorgas and thus knew of what he spoke. his claim was that Gorgas needs cool water from Smith Lake for its towers. The amount of water needed equals 0.8 foot per week from about the beginning of June when the water in the Warrior River begins warming up till teh end of Sep when the water in the Warrior is again cool enough to do the job. Thus, 0.8 ft X 16 weeks just about equals the annual drawdown. So until AP finds a better way than its present cooling towers, ---ain't nottin gonna change!
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Bill
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Water Level Changes
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8/24/2009 2:20:24 PM
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Bill has nothing to say about this subject anymore. Trying to discuss this with you guys is like talking to a wall.
You keep arguing about it. I'm just going to enjoy the rest of the summer on the lake.
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LOCOonWater
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Water Level Changes
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8/29/2009 9:32:43 AM
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APC sucking it down oh well at least Bill will be happy? Job security I guess.
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| Name: |
Bill
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Water Level Changes
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9/23/2009 9:53:01 AM
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Bill is thrilled. 507.45 at the end of September. Awesome. I wonder why? Oh! What IS that stuff falling out of the sky this year that we haven't seen much of the last few? Is that rain??
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Ivan
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Water Level Changes
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9/24/2009 9:47:17 AM
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Hey Bill, Waterph and LocoWater must own seasonal water.. LOL...
I truly enjoy the water level fluctuation. It allows me to walk my rock shoreline and pickup all the crap that they (Waterph and Loco) dump into the lake from their doublewides!
Let's see... This lake has been here for 40 years, and after another 40 years, there isn't going to be any changes to how it's run.... Thank GOD!
Want year round water? Spend the money!
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| Name: |
waterph
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Water Level Changes
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9/24/2009 5:35:19 PM
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Hey Ivan
Don't throw those old tires in a dump. Save them for me so that I can make me some flower plots. Why go to Home Depot to buy landscaping materials when old tires are just as good.
Also, if you come up to my Double Wide for a meal of fried possum, sweet potatoes, and turnip greens, look for the couch and washing machine on the porch. We had to store them there since the 5 dogs and 4 cats had to have a place to stay.
Don't worry about the chickens in the yard. They only fight on the week end. Just try not to get the chicken poop on your shoes. If you do, just take a piece of old newspaper and clean them before you come into the house.
While you're here, we've also got several vehicles in the yard that you'll be interested in. Maybe we can swap some parts and get you a second car.
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| Name: |
Ivan
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Water Level Changes
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9/28/2009 10:24:33 AM
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I thought you guys use the old tires to keep the rumbling of your roofs down to a minimum? They also make great bumper stops for your seasonal docks. You can also stack them below your docks for when the water level drops, this way, the dock will sustain minimal damage.
By the way, why aren't you guys complaining about APCO not following the rule curve this Fall?
REMEMBER: More rain, equals higher lake levels...
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| Name: |
Ivan
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Water Level Changes
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9/28/2009 10:31:33 AM
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WATERPH WROTE: "I wonder what the ruling would be in a class action suit against APC on the basis that Smith Lake was originally permitted to generate hydro power and not as a feed source for a downstream coal fired plant. Atlanta lost their suit on the basis that the lake was built for hydro power and not as a source of drinking water for Atlanta. I look forward to seeing if a similar ruling would prevail for Smith Lake"
Hey PH, are you going to foot the bill for this frivilous lawsuit? Or are you just hoping that the idiots that fell for SLISA the first time, will foot the bill? Lawsuits like these, are the reasons healthcare cost in the USA have escalated out of control... Liberals like you contributing towards the feeding frenzy...
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Ivan
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Water Level Changes
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9/28/2009 10:39:31 AM
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By the way..... Re-read your post: You mentioned Atlanta losing to APCO.... And you want to sue them? What makes you think you'll have a chance? If the city of Atlanta wasn't able to win a suit against APCO; asking for drinking water, why would ANY court in the USA side with the users of Smith Lake over the people that built it in the first place? Your logic doesn't have any logic to it.. A first year law student could see there isn't any basis for a suit. The same reason SLISA bailed...
GIVE IT UP... ENJOY THE LAKE while you still can.. Life is TOO short; Next thing you'll know, we'll be all going down for the dirt nap!
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| Name: |
waterph
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Water Level Changes
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9/28/2009 9:03:48 PM
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Ivan
You continue to amaze me. Check the 2009 actual water levels prior to all this rainfall in September and you will see that the level was slightly above 502 feet. This was not by accident. APC was deliberately following this rule curve. Otherwise, the level by Labor Day would have approached the 496 level. Just look at the pictures!
I'm really disappointed that you made derogatory statements about double wides and refused my invitation to eat a healthy dinner. And, by the way. I remember seeing some million dollar homes with the boat dock and a Ski Nautique sitting on the ground. Are these folks "trailer trash" or just "seasonal" property owners living with on a "seasonal" lot. When APC follows the rule curve, seasonal lots tend to disappear. Interesting!
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| Name: |
waterph
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Water Level Changes
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9/28/2009 9:27:31 PM
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Ivan
As I said earlier, your post amaze me. I'm referring to you comment "Hey PH, are you going to foot the bill for this frivolous lawsuit? Or are you just hoping that the idiots that fell for SLISA the first time, will foot the bill? Lawsuits like these, are the reasons health care cost in the USA have escalated out of control... Liberals like you contributing towards the feeding frenzy..."
Was this a frivolous lawsuit by Atlanta? Have you ever been threatened with the loss of your drinking water supply? Obviously, you have not. Neither is your logic as to what constitutes a frivolous lawsuit.
Using the term "idiot" as you did does not testify to credibility on your part. You need to learn to be sweet and kind. Your blood pressure has to be going out the top.
Believe me. My family understands frivolous lawsuits associated with health care. Malpractice insurance is not cheap. The threat is always present from a patient against the Dr. for some frivolous incident. Lawyers are waiting on the sidelines ready to pounce.
I am not a liberal looking for someone to sue as you propose. On the contrary. I consider this to be corporate water level malpractice because a company has repeatedly refused to retrofit a plant to address cooling issues. APC finally admitted that Gorgas could not run without Smith Lake's cool waters during the hot summer months.
This was what SLISA was about, not developers trying to get rich. And, by the way - I am not a developer. I'm just a simple country boy who scrapped up a few dollars and was able to buy property and build a simple house to enjoy the summers on Smith Lake with my children grandchildren, and friends. There are a lot of WaterpH's on Smith Lake.
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| Name: |
Bill
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Water Level Changes
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9/29/2009 10:24:51 AM
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waterph said: "And, by the way. I remember seeing some million dollar homes with the boat dock and a Ski Nautique sitting on the ground."
When? I don't recall... oh wait! Yes, I do remember those pictures. Was that during the horrible drought conditions of 2007? Yeah... I think it was. My stuff wasn't sitting on the ground. I'm thinking though that since the drought has ended and the rain came back that their stuff is floating too... don't ya think? I even bet yours is.
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waterph
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Water Level Changes
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9/29/2009 12:42:20 PM
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During 2007, how much of the water level loss was associated with the draught? As I recall, someone had mentioned 4 feet. So, rather than being at 496, the level was 492.
The draught contributed but the major cause was massive water releases for Gorgas. How many times must this fact be posted on the forum? Again, as per APC, Gorgas can not operate without the cool water from Smith Lake in the hot months of summer.
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Bill
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9/29/2009 4:49:00 PM
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You're saying the drOught had no affect on the lake level in 2007 but for four feet? That it was strictly the dumping of water for Gorgas.
Was Gorgas shut down this summer?
By your logic then the rain we've had this year would have no affect on the lake level either....
Or are you telling me that because of all the rain this year we've had higher levels... even with APCO dumping water for Gorgas... but if we had had NO rain this year the levels would be terribly low... not because of the lack of rain but because APCO was dumping water for Gorgas.
Yeah. BWAH. :)
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| Name: |
waterph
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Water Level Changes
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9/29/2009 5:49:36 PM
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Bill
Bill
Do you ever read what was posted? I would suggest that if a quiz were given to you on what the post said versus what you summarized in your follow up, you would get a big F.
Let me again state what I said.
1. The impact of the drought on lake level in 2007 was 4 feet. If you have the absolute value, please note.
2. The drop in lake level to 492 feet in 2007 was not solely due to the drought. Gorgas accounted for 16 feet.
3. APC has historically dropped the lake level to around 496 feet except for 2009 when they basically followed the rule curve.
4. The lake level on Labor Day 2009 was 502.6 feet
5. APC reduced lake levels to the 496 feet level in years when there was plenty of rainfall.
6. If there was not a draught in these years, why would the level fall to 496 feet?
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| Name: |
Bill
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9/30/2009 9:00:49 AM
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waterph.
We should be approaching 496 right about now to prep the RESERVOIR to be able to accept the water from the winter rainy season. However we are not.
Why are we at 508.5 on the last day of September 2009 and not approaching 496 as we should be?
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| Name: |
waterph
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Water Level Changes
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9/30/2009 9:43:30 AM
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Bill
Are you saying the Smith Lake is dropped to 496 starting in June for flood control from winter rains? If that is the basis for the drop from 510 to 496, why start in June - Start in November.
I'm sorry but this reasoning is not supported by any data. Lake level changes in the summer months are deliberate by APC to support cooling requirements at Gorgas. Flood control is not the reason for dropping the level to 496.
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| Name: |
Bill
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9/30/2009 1:17:09 PM
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No, I'm saying it dropped to 496 in June of 2007 because of a lack of rain. Everyone seems to realize this regardless of wether you like it or not.
By the way, by design a reservoir (Lewis Smith Lake IS a reservoir) does not now nor ever has - anywhere - remained at a constant level.
I respectfully suggest that anyone having a question about wether Lewis Smith Lake is in fact a "reservoir" read this description of exactly what a reservoir is and what it is used for. I pretty much describes Lewis Smith Lake to a "T":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservoir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Smith_Lake
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